Parents who are educated about vaccines and WON'T allow their kids to be vaccinated?

Question

Can you please begin to tell me in a simple, non complicated way as to why vaccines aren't a good idea? I've read enough about it to know there's something wrong. I just a little head start in knowing a bit more about it.

P.S - I'm not asking for an argument with people who do think vaccinations are a good idea. So please don't. Sometimes 'professionals' are even lied to. I'm on about the truth, not what mainstream media teaches us.

Answer 1

All vaccines,like all medications carry a risk

So you have to balance whether you feel the risk is minimal enough to risk it...or not

I know a woman whose little girl is now disabled mentally and physically from getting the MMR

and it is so very hard to watch her trying to cope, with a daughter who has such a low quality of life

Then again there are millions who suffer no ill effects at all

So really it is tour decision in the end as to whether you get the vaccine or not

Answer 2

The problem is, you've rejected answers from those who have given you factual answers based on overwhelming evidence. It appears that you're not interested in the truth and reality, you just want answers from people who agree with your incorrect "beliefs".



Understanding infectious diseases and vaccination takes a little more than just reading stuff on the internet. You need to understand science, epidemiology and statistics. This is why the anti-vaxxers get it so dramatically wrong. They talk about subjects they have no training in.



You quoted a survey. A survey isn't data. Worse, you obtained it from Natural News, a website notorious for lies and misinformation.



What's the problem with this "evidence?" Well it's not really evidence of anything. Correlation isn't causation and you'd need a much larger study group to learn anything.



The problem is, the parents who participated in these surveys are usually anti-vax, and do a lot of other things that the average parent might not, including diet and other health and lifestyle choices. It does not mean these kids are healthier because they are unvaccinated.



Do you see the problem with just taking things you read at face value just because it's "different". Wake up, and don't be a sheep, there is no grand vaccine conspiracy among doctors and scientists.



Look at the actual data instead of listening to cranks on the internet.



Edit: And Lisa, the Th2 response does not match the current data. The hygiene hypothesis does. Stop cherry picking.

Answer 3

They can't, but it sounds like you have already made up your mind since you "know" they're not a good idea. For those with a more open mind, evidence is clear that the benefit of vaccinations outweigh the risks. Please do not confuse peer-reviewed literature with the mainstream media. As someone else has already pointed out, the misinterpretation of the "German study" has already been critically reviewed. Below is another review, but here it is in a nutshell: there were fewer than 100 unvaccinated children. I don't know where the 8,000 number came from. Any child receiving as few as one dose of vaccine was classified as "vaccinated". When specific disease rates were compared between children vaccinated or not vaccinated for that disease, they were higher among unvaccinated children.



http://www.vaccinetimes.com/the-vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated-study-a-k-a-the-german-study/



But I like to go right to the source. Here is a quote direct from the authors.

"The lifetime prevalence of diseases preventable by vaccination was markedly higher in unvaccinated than in vaccinated subjects."

You can read the original article here.

http://www.aerzteblatt.de/pdf.asp?id=80869

Answer 4

People who are educated about vaccines and understand science and statistics make sure that their children are vaccinated. With that in mind, I don't think you are likely to get any "educated" answers at to why anyone should not vaccinate unless there is a medical reason not to do so such as an allergy.



People who *think* they are educated but are in fact only buying into lies and conspiracies of the anti vaccine movement and twisting and misinterpreting data to suit what they have already decided is true regardless of the facts, are the ones who do not vaccinate. These people put their children's lives in jeopardy. They also tend to get fairly sanctimonious when presented with actual data which proves vaccines to be safe and effective for the vast majority of the population, which is unfortunate if the welfare of their children is truly their concern.



*Edit*

...And the thumbs down just prove my point ;)



And another thing to consider, why is it that all the people who are known for their intellect are advocates of immunization? The best the anti vaccination movement has to offer is Jenny McCarthy and Rob Schneider. Who should we listen to when it comes to the health of our children? A playboy bunny and a B Grade actor (and i use the term loosely) or doctors and scientists who have devoted their lives to eradicating these hideous diseases from the planet? I know whose advice I would rather take.



2nd edit- I wasn't speaking of you specifically, although it wouldn't surprise me if you gave me a thumbs down, I didn't expect that one had definitely come from you. I was speaking of the anti vaccinationists on here in general who always come along and give anyone who makes positive comments about immunization thumbs down without even considering that science and evidence might just trump conspiracy theories. Ooh and two other people think I'm wrong? (It's 5 now!) Can you see me shaking in my boots? Looks like more people than that think I'm right.

Answer 5

Those that are against vaccines have taken a bit of misinformation and blown it out of proportion. Somehow somewhere folks got the idea that mercury is in these vaccines and while a very minute amount may be it is harmless. A child that contracts an easily preventable disease that they could suffer permanent damage from or even die from would be a crime when vaccines can easily prevent this.

Answer 6

If you are "on about the truth", why are you looking at such junk science? You seem to be getting your information from the anti-vaccination conspiracy theorist websites - these people are not interested in the truth, they only want to push their anti-medical establishment ideology. The study you refer to is a survey - it has been widely debunked and dismissed as poorly conducted and highly biased. It is pulled to pieces here: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/08/31/an-anti-vaccine-administered-survey-back/



Here is the truth:



Anti-vaxxers lie. Their arguments are not based in sound science.



Vaccines ARE a good idea. Vaccines are safe. Vaccines save lives.

Answer 7

There are a ton of reasons why vaccines aren't a good idea. One you could look into is how vaccines overstimulate the Th2 part of the immune system, which can lead to autoimmunity.